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  We're Ashya Kings parents right?

  by The Rebel in

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  do you remember the case?

  jehovers witness parents did a runner without telling the medical staff caring for their seriously ill child and took him to receive proton therapy in praque as this treatment was not available in the u.k.. first most importantly the good news, the boy was declared cancer free last march.. anyway i am sure at the time this issue would have created a lot of heated debate on the forum, as it was a case that created a media frenzy, with the parents and their jehovers witness religious beliefs being heavily critizised .

  however as i followed the case i couldn't help but admire the parents, as i felt they would have acted indepentedly of both the jehovers witness organisation and the u.k medical advice, having in my opinion seriously thought the matter through, and then doing they thought was the best way for treatment.. so if you remember the case my questions are:-.

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  The Rebel

  Do you remember the case?

  Jehovers Witness Parents did a runner without telling the medical staff caring for their seriously ill child and took him to receive proton therapy in Praque as this treatment was not available in the U.K.

  First most importantly the good news, the boy was declared cancer free last March.

  Anyway i am sure at the time this issue would have created a lot of heated debate on the forum, as it was a case that created a media frenzy, with the parents and their Jehovers Witness religious beliefs being heavily critizised . However as I followed the case I couldn't help but admire the parents, as I felt they would have acted indepentedly of both the Jehovers Witness organisation and the U.K medical advice, having in my opinion seriously thought the matter through, and then doing they thought was the best way for treatment.

  So if you remember the case my questions are:-

  [) do you think Ashya Kings parents were right?

  2) Could you have done what Ashley Kings parents did in a similar situation.

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  Richard Carrier debunks Christianity using Science and History.

  by Island Man in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez2kgjk4jo4

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  Slim I love your way of thinking to philosophic questions. If such thoughts didn't require deeper meaning, why would the mind think of them?

  However will the problem of deeper meaning to questions ever be solved? My guess is never, because that would be putting concessions on our individual independent thinking.

  So maybe there is no answer to any question, only deeper meaning, and wonderful minds in hyper space that pose the questions.

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  Red or Green Flags....

  by The Rebel in

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  it seems everybody is doing it, and giving green or red flags.

  and personally what a difference it makes to my " ego" when i get a green flag and feel my opinion is respected.

  my green flags totally convince me what i say is " brilliant.

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  I may be an idiot but being an honest idiot I am sure on this thread I have mistakenly just given a dislike to post I meant to give a like. Am I the only " idiot" that has done this?

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  Red or Green Flags....

  by The Rebel in

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  it seems everybody is doing it, and giving green or red flags.

  and personally what a difference it makes to my " ego" when i get a green flag and feel my opinion is respected.

  my green flags totally convince me what i say is " brilliant.

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  Sabin that was a lovely post and this is for you 👌

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  If the trolleydolly carts are a failure, what's next?

  by fulltimestudent in

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  they could try this:.

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  The reason the trolley carts are a failure is because the W.T marketing strategy is half a brick short from modern marketing that works. However I am sure they have noted this and I look forward to their next attempt, " The NEW Jehover- Glam Rock- Super Pious trolley carts". This will be a mind blower with sisters being allowed to wear skirts above the knee and rock to Jehover in spiritual dignity.

  On a serious note if that actually happened I might even take some literature, possibly even go to a meeting. But having said that those "sisters" had better do a very outrageous dance. Actually the thought of some of the sisters I know doing that dance has put me off.

  On a even more serious note if you are going on the street to promote religion, you do need to do something more to get an audience than simply stand two yards away from the cart drinking coffee. And if not for Jehover, for your own dignity.

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  Red or Green Flags....

  by The Rebel in

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  it seems everybody is doing it, and giving green or red flags.

  and personally what a difference it makes to my " ego" when i get a green flag and feel my opinion is respected.

  my green flags totally convince me what i say is " brilliant.

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  Slimboyfat (Q) " On my screen it appears as a thumbs up and down. I'm confused when you're talking about flags"

  The Rebel (A) That's why I corrected myself on my second post and reverted to the correct terminology Like/Dislike.

  Slim the fact is we can all be padantic and pretend to be " confused" by words so " goodby" to you, or do I mean " goodbuy" or should I simply say " good-bye" :-)

  I must correct myself and apologise Slim, in my second post I was still referring to the like/ dislike feature as a red or green flag. I guess I am an idiot.

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  Red or Green Flags....

  by The Rebel in

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  it seems everybody is doing it, and giving green or red flags.

  and personally what a difference it makes to my " ego" when i get a green flag and feel my opinion is respected.

  my green flags totally convince me what i say is " brilliant.

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  Simon, thanks for explaining the criteria for the like/dislike feature.

  Simon (Q) " Would you be interested in having the ability to let your votes be seen?

  The Rebel (A) Yes I would, or rather I would like the ability to explain why I gave a red flag. But i would prefer it being optional as I don't feel the same need to always clarify why I give green flags.

  The reason I raised the O.P was because in my opinion discussion SHOULD ALWAYS be based on one thing OPINION, and no rating system should berate that. Yet I sometimes feel comments are down voted only because the posters option is disliked. Personally I have noted posters who make the most interesting comments receive unfair red flags.

  So emotion rather than reason should not be a criteria to like/dislike posts.

  My other concern with the like/dislike feature is that it can encourage group think.

  However personally I believe the like/dislike is a valuable feature, and maybe a way to improve it would be to limit the amount of " votes" ensuring they become something valuable to the poster. I would suggest for every 5 posts that are made allows you one like/dislike.

  A further observation if you give a red flag for content, it is often worth doing some formal research as sometimes the content that receives red flags is totally unwarranted.

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  Red or Green Flags....

  by The Rebel in

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  it seems everybody is doing it, and giving green or red flags.

  and personally what a difference it makes to my " ego" when i get a green flag and feel my opinion is respected.

  my green flags totally convince me what i say is " brilliant.

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  It seems everybody is doing it, and giving green or red flags. And personally what a difference it makes to my " ego" when I get a green flag and feel my opinion is RESPECTED. My green flags totally convince me what I say is " brilliant." .So why stop at one green flag, I am now addicted to " green flags" and want more than one green flag to convince me my post is smart and balanced and I am a great guy.

  There is no limit to the amount of green flags a poster can receive, and if you are not already convinced just send a post " The W.T is a skunk of an organisation" and I guarantee you a few green flags.

  But there are rules to the competition and sometimes we can receive " Red flags" as there is also no limit to the amount of red flags we can receive, and don't take my word for it, find out for yourself by posting " I love being a J.W and the Governing body"

  Anyway slowly getting to my point, I must confess to liking receieving my green flags and questioning why I receive a red flag. But more to the point as so many posts have " green" or "red" flags attached to the comment, I have concluded as everybody seems to be doing it, I should also therefore:-

  A) What is YOUR criteria for giving a " green" or "red" flag?

  Your answers I promise will :-

  A) Help me abide by the rules

  B) And if in my opinion they are good answers I promise I will give you a " green" flag.

  C) If you give this O.P a red flag I hope you understand these missing letters f--k, o--.

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  Books I read when I deprogrammed

  by OrphanCrow in

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  blondie suggested someone start a thread with a list of books that are valuable to read when exiting the jws.. i will start.. i left the jws way back in the early 70s and didn't actually deprogram until into the 80s.. one of the first books i read was "the orwellian world of jehovah's witnesses" by gary and heather botting.

  canadian exjws from calagary.

  an excellent book and one that still resonates with young people today.

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  Kate Wilde (Q)" Having an ex-member that was on the GB is a great resource. Do any of these other books have such valuable information ?

  The Rebel ( A) Personally when I read C.O.C Ray did not emerge infallible in his thinking, and I felt with his beliefs in God he was still a mouse caught in a trap. My point is that my personal " crisis" involved more than the organisation being wrong, it involved my relationship with God and understanding the " Captive Mind" of the Jehovers Witness.

  So I guess to answer your question it depends what sort of " valuable" information we are seeking, but the books I listed had more value to me.

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  Books I read when I deprogrammed

  by OrphanCrow in

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  blondie suggested someone start a thread with a list of books that are valuable to read when exiting the jws.. i will start.. i left the jws way back in the early 70s and didn't actually deprogram until into the 80s.. one of the first books i read was "the orwellian world of jehovah's witnesses" by gary and heather botting.

  canadian exjws from calagary.

  an excellent book and one that still resonates with young people today.

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  One of the books that helped me "deprogram" was Defying Hitler, by Sabastian Haffner, The book showed how Hitler by beginning in such small ways, turned a civilised, intelligent people in to a helpless, penned in flock of sheep . And this really bought home to me that all I was doing on the ministry was exploiting people's psychological weaknesses,

  Another book The Captive Mind by Czeslaw Milosz gave a truthful account of a totalitarian culture equal to Orwells 1984 classic. From this book I learnt not to regret my time spent as a witness, but rather to learn from it, and be grateful I could now see the organisation for what it was. A man made totalitarian government pretending to be under the leadership of Jehover.

  Havng left the Witness mindset I now admire people who spend there life's collecting stamps or growing tulips, they do less damage to the world than i ever did as a Jehovers Witnesses.

  The Rebel.